请大侠们分析这句长句

flexdu · 发表于 2019-10-23 09:02:01

And for the generality of men there will be found, I say, to arise, when they have duly taken in the proposition that their ancestor was 'a hairy quadruped furnished with a tail and pointed ears, probably arboreal in his habits' there will be found to arise an invincible desire to relate this proposition to the sense in us for conduct and to the sense in us for beauty.(M.Arnold)
请问此段话中there will be found to arise 为什么要写两遍？同理，to the sense in us for是否可以省略一个？
这段话简化一下是否可以写成；
And for the generality of men there will be found, I say, to arise, when they have duly taken in the proposition, an invincible desire to relate this proposition to the sense in us for conduct and beauty.3 O6 E! p2 b#

rualantonio · 发表于 2019-10-23 09:37:15

For the generality of men， when they have duly taken in the proposition that their ancestor was 'a hairy quadruped furnished with a tail and pointed ears, probably arboreal in his habits' ,there will be found , I say, to arise an invincible desire to relate this proposition to the sense in us for conduct and beauty.(M.Arnold),作者只是通过重复部分词句来增强语势而已，there will be found to arise用了两遍。

Wetoo · 发表于 2019-10-23 11:16:17

强！重复的表达，似乎是口语，但口语说得这么复杂，真是要水平。

dooomer · 发表于 2019-10-24 11:52:42

And I say, for the generality of men, when they have duly taken in the proposition that ..., an invincible desire will be found to arise there, i.e. the desire to relate this proposition to the sense in us for conduct, and the same desire to relate this proposition to the sense in us for beauty.

sabrina2111 · 发表于 2019-10-24 20:50:37

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sabrina2111 · 发表于 2019-10-24 21:18:38

dooomer 发表于 2019-10-24 11:52
And I say, for the generality of men, when they have duly taken in the proposition that ..., an invi ...

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鸭呼嘿 · 发表于 2019-10-25 08:23:36

就便提个问题: 这句话里面的I say怎么翻译呢？不译？我说？依我看啊/我说啊/要我说啊？…？

汉语口语里面有个插入语“我说”，我感觉比较相似。我感觉“我说”的用法主要有：

1）用于话语开头，表示开始一段对话，尤其是预计对方对该话题没有心理准备的时候。例如在安静的情境下，告知对方自己要说话了，避免突然出声说话，使对方来不及反应而引起的不适：

我说，你昨天去抓药了吗？

2）用于话语结尾，作用与1）相似。突然引起一个话题后，加上“我说”，以舒缓语气，给对方以反应的时间。潜台词是：这话题有点突兀了，你慢点说没关系。

3）用于话语结尾或中间，表示不耐烦或者生气。例如，对方喋喋不休地说一些无理的话，或者说一些此方不想听的话，用“我说”来打断他，进行反问，或者引入新的话题。

4）用于话语开头。对方没有听清楚或者不理解自己前面的话，用“我说”来表示下面的话是重复刚才的话，或者是换个说法的解释。

[语言求助] 请大侠们分析这句长句