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    发表于 2020-2-17 23:44:00 | 只看该作者 |只看大图 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
    电影《美女与野兽》为什么beauty 不加the ?

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    发表于 2020-2-18 10:37:32 | 只看该作者
    beauty这里就是特指的女主角,那个“美女”,作为她的名字或称呼来使用。就像"Snow White",没有the会放在人名前。Beast却是本义,就是野兽的意思,所以用the那指定那一只野兽。
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    发表于 2020-2-18 12:03:26 | 只看该作者
    本帖最后由 lewpad 于 2020-2-18 12:19 编辑

    学习了。知乎有同样的问题,https://www.zhihu.com/question/56262093  好像没人答的比较好。
    QUORA上的回答  https://www.quora.com/Why-is-beauty-and-the-beast-not-the-beauty-and-the-beast
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    Partly because there are subtle differences between concrete nouns like ‘beast’ and abstracts like ‘beauty.’
    Beauty is not a description, even if it is a characteristic for which she’s rightly named; it’s the girl’s name and a proper noun, deserving a capital. If she were merely ‘a beauty’ perhaps among many, that would need no capital. If she were famous as ‘The Beauty’ that would be an epithet; a sobriquetor alias used as a proper noun, and so still deserving capitals.
    ‘The Beast’ isn’t his name, though it might be the closest he has to one. ‘The Beast’ is normally an epithet. If Beauty shortens it to call him Beast alone then really it remains a nickname and not a ‘proper’ proper noun, but that’s much too fine a distinction.
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    The question was - Why is "beauty and the beast" not "the beauty and the beast"?
    It is some times used both ways. ‘Beauty’ in this sense, however, is both a woman’s name and a concept so the article isn’t necessary where the beast is a concept that is specified - ‘the Beast’ and not just ‘a beast.’
    You are free to hold that it’s not correct but as they say, ‘it sells!’
    Thanks for the A2A.
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    I think the author, Gabrielle-Suzanne Bardor de Villeneuve, may not have been referring to Belle as “Beauty”. In my opinion, she was using the actual word beauty as what it defines, e.g., a combination of the qualities of shape, color or form. In other words, it was beauty itself that fascinated the Beast and made him love Belle. Remember, this is only my opinion….
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    Beauty and the Beast is without a doubt one of Disney's finest classics. The first animated film to ever be nominated for best picture and after you see it, you could understand and agree with it's nomination. Beauty and the Beast is going to be one of those films that will always be remembered, I know that it's a movie that I will show my children one day. It has unbelievably terrific animation, a beautiful story, lovable characters, and is just over all a perfect movie. I really love this film so much, I don't think anyone couldn't fall in love with it.
    Bell is just a simple girl in her town in France, she reads books constantly and her father is an inventor. They are sort of the outcasts of their town due to their "oddness". But Bell is being pursued by the town hunk, Gueston, simply because she's the one girl he cannot have. One day when her father's inventions are about to be displayed at the fair, he gets lost in the woods and stumbles across a castle and is held prisoner. Bell goes after him and comes to the castle; it turns out that her father is being held by a beast who is cursed with this hideousness unless he finds a true love before a rose he has welts. Bell trades places with her father; the house also has living objects, a candle holder, a clock, a tea pot, all who are also cursed until the curse is broken. They look at Bell as the perfect opportunity for the beast to find a true love, but he must learn to be a gentleman, but Bell brings out the best in him and it turns out that this might be a happy ending after all.
    This was actually the first movie that I ever cried in, the ending was just so beautiful and heart felt, you'll have to see what I mean. The songs are just so lovely and perfect for the scenes that they are performed for. Beauty and the Beast, the song, was just one of the most touching songs ever. This films is a major recommendation for me, it's one of my favorite Disney films of all time, it's a timeless classic that is just perfect and reached a new level of great animation.[2]
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    发表于 2020-2-18 00:03:38 | 只看该作者
    the beauty 是“…的美”,后面通常加of

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    beauty作可数名词是“人”的意思  发表于 2020-2-18 11:45
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    She warned him not to be deceived by appearances ,for beauty is found within.
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    发表于 2020-2-18 12:28:47 | 只看该作者
    lewpad 发表于 2020-2-18 12:03
    学习了。知乎有同样的问题,https://www.zhihu.com/question/56262093  好像没人答的比较好。
    QUORA上的回 ...

    这个解释详尽,受教了,谢谢
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    yuqinghuaz1 发表于 2020-2-18 12:19
    She warned him not to be deceived by appearances ,for beauty is found within.

    你这句的beauty是不可数名词,表抽象概念

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    这句话就是剧中女巫的原话  发表于 2020-2-18 12:57
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    哦,那就不是抽象名词了。是指那个人了  发表于 2020-2-18 13:18
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    我想这也是剧作者想要表达的    所以我认为  这句话里beauty的含义,应该是与标题中的含义是一致的,就是抽象的美的意思。
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    发表于 2020-2-18 13:53:30 | 只看该作者
    实际上    美女与野兽这个翻译是根据剧情的意译        倒是和  the Beauty and the Beast    十分的吻合。其实   在法文里 是加了定冠词的    La Belle et la Bête
    所以   有时不是加不加的问题   而是加了之后的意思有什么不同的问题
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     楼主| 发表于 2020-2-18 18:57:24 | 只看该作者
    yuqinghuaz1 发表于 2020-2-18 13:18
    我想这也是剧作者想要表达的    所以我认为  这句话里beauty的含义,应该是与标题中的含义是一致的,就是抽 ...

    3楼找的资料表明beauty是一个人名概念,所以不加the。不是抽象名词“美”的意思
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    TinaIsBunny 发表于 2020-2-18 18:57
    3楼找的资料表明beauty是一个人名概念,所以不加the。不是抽象名词“美”的意思 ...

    我开始也以为是人名   因为在听有声书时   的确   那女孩名叫beauty     但在剧中   那女孩名叫belle   虽然意同可形不同   
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     楼主| 发表于 2020-2-18 20:48:38 | 只看该作者
    yuqinghuaz1 发表于 2020-2-18 19:32
    我开始也以为是人名   因为在听有声书时   的确   那女孩名叫beauty     但在剧中   那女孩名叫belle   虽 ...

    这里也只能理解为人名,因为一个抽象名词和the beast并列放在一起作为标题 不符合英语的习惯

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    搞不懂 本来不是人名 偏要理解成人名  发表于 2020-2-18 21:39
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    发表于 2020-3-1 11:02:13 | 只看该作者
    Beauty恰好也是人名,所以不用the。

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