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[词典讨论] 词典里的Big Mess Construction,兼推荐Vocabulary.com Examples

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我发现Big Mess Construction好像是比较新的英语语法现象,所以利用Goldendict 全文搜索搜了一下「 as big a 」,你们猜怎么着,真的哎!

先说原句:Even though gas-fired heating and cooking can be at least as big a source of greenhouse-gas emissions, renewable heating gets minuscule attention.

虽说用天然气取暖啊做饭啊也是挺大的一个排放源,排放起温室气体来,不比别的能源逊色,可是那些个可再生的取暖法、取暖能源也没多少人关注。

这句子还是有点绕的。全文搜索发现,有的词典里面有类似的句子。牛津高阶10:

Housing has become almost as big a problem as education.

老版的牛津高阶没有。

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1999年的句子

OED:

1929        
Variety 10 Apr. 1/2
There is almost as big a market for bootleg disk records as there is for bootlegged books.

1929年的句子

1958        
Spectator 7 Feb. 175/3
The Liu was almost as big a pain in the neck as the previous night's Preziosilla.

1958年

World Book Dictionary, 2015:
Intrapreneurs, the people who start new businesses inside established companies, will soon be as big a catchword as entrepreneurs (Economist).

经济学人原句,1985年

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随便一摘就是哗啦啦的句子,名报名刊名家!!

150. Ms. Johnson, while not a native of Louisiana, was as big a champion of the region as anyone.
Jul 25, 2015 - New York Times
179. This one seemed as big a mismatch with the Harrison twins and bevy of big bodies to control the struggling Gamecocks.
Jan 24, 2015 - Washington Times
42. "It put a little dampener on it, but it's just as big a race," Gay said.
Dec 13, 2010 - The Guardian
26. “That was about as big a shot of adrenaline as you could ask for,” Robinson said.
Jul 4, 2015 - Washington Times
53. According to the film, nearly 50% of young white Americans believe discrimination against whites is as big a problem as discrimination against blacks.
Jul 24, 2015 - Time
96. For now, caveat emptor is going to remain as big a part of sushi culture as soy sauce and wasabi.
Feb 21, 2013 - Time

我知道有人要笑话我,这不是老宝贝了嘛,怎么又广告起来了?只当是给新来的看看呗!

例句第二多的是Urban Dictionary,不过这本有点太俗了,就不多说啦。

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    "Housing has become almost as big a problem as education."
    这个句子并不是BMC吧。这是as……as的结构。 在比较结构中,有as+adj+冠词+名词+as+比较对象这样的结构,还是很有规则的。

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    rococoeer 发表于 2020-4-30 22:11
    "Housing has become almost as big a problem as education."
    这个句子并不是BMC吧。这是as……as的结构 ...

    Big Mess Construction是语法学家叫出来的术语,人家也没说不规则啊,请看Van Eynde, Frank. 2007. The Big Mess Construction. In Muller, Stefan (Ed.), ¨ Proceedings of the 14th International Conference on Head-Driven Phrase StructureGrammar, Stanford Department of Linguistics and CSLI’s LinGO Lab, 415–433.Stanford, CA: CSLI Publications.:
    In English noun phrases the determiner canonically precedes the prenominal adjectives, both the lexical and the phrasal ones.
    (1) a. a big house
    b. a very big house
    (2) a. * big a house
    b. * very big a house
    A notable exception are the adjectival phrases which are introduced by as, so, too,
    how, this and that.
    When they occur in a nominal which contains the indefinite
    article, they precede the determiner (Huddleston and Pullum, 2002, 435).

    六个典型词是as so too how this that。

    这个概念是Berman, J. 1974. Adjectives and adjective complement constructions in English.Ph. D.thesis, Harvard University.里面提出来的,你找作者理论去。

    随便找找提及Big Mess Construction的论文,有如下例句:

    Bob didn’t write [as detailed a proposal] as Sheila did.
    Bob didn’t write [as detailed of a proposal] as Sheila did

    我可没说不准别个叫它as...as...结构,问题是:

    1. 明摆着这个现象是不限于as的, so too how this that 都能这么用,也不一定非有第二个as不可,哪能以偏概全呢?
    2. 传统语法书里头没提及as...as...能这么用,你要认可这是as...as...,得扩充传统语法
    3. 要点也不是非要叫什么名字,而是怎么叫方便研究、方便解释。Big Mess Construction现象的要点是,凭嘛形容词能放到冠词前头?「一棵好大的树」「一个跟姚明一样高的小伙子」凭什么能说成「好大的一棵树」「跟姚明一样高的一个小伙子」?你要是归纳成「跟……一样」的特殊用法,就偏了呀